critical reading for the rude

interview: Shivanath goes polar

note: this was briefly at my old blog. here it rightly resurfaces from March 6th or so.



Shivanath: hahahahahah

Woody: back again

Woody: haha!

Woody: crazy drunk magician. Working from the top of the world.

Woody: can’t you get a tickeet for that?

Shivanath: oh god

Shivanath: I’ve been drunk for three days

Shivanath: well, started saturday

Shivanath: and sunday

Shivanath: and monday

Woody: i’ve bottled a new batch of homebrew beer this week

Woody: i’ll raise one to you

Shivanath: awright

Woody: maybe we aim for a few days from now for the intrveiw..

Shivanath: well, you could do that

Shivanath: or we could try and bang out a three question micro interview while I’m running this hot

Woody: sounds good too

Woody: okya

Woody: here we go.

Shivanath: (reality is bending *hard* – talked to an Icelanding MP tonight and also a developer of Eve


Woody: Question 1

12:25 AM

Shivanath: aye

Woody: How’s your magickal practice changed since our last interview?

Shivanath: that’s almost a year ago

Shivanath: it’s been an insane year

Shivanath: the key is really that I got involved in a tantric relationship with somebody I personally identify

as an old tibetan lama-type being and the resulting energy generated really pushed out an enormous amount

of my potential into the world

Shivanath: and, hopefully, one day, hers

Shivanath: so that manifestation through relationship this time propelled me into an intimate relationship

with the deepest power structures in the United States

Shivanath: I did a round of work for the military, the red cross, and hopefully one for the marines, all

centered on humanitarian relief and disaster response

12:30 AM

Shivanath: this is really key: inside of the US Govt. and particularly the US military there are a lot of nice

people trying to do the right thing

Shivanath: I took this wad of compassionate energy and handed it to them and they’ve made very good

use of it so far, and that has surprised and delighted me.

Shivanath: One side effect has been that I haven’t had much time for my regular practices of old: it’s all

been Karma Yoga this year.

Shivanath: How’s that for an answr?

Woody: I think that fairly answers Question 1.

Woody: Question 2.

Woody: What the hell are you planning to do about the global economy? Hahahaha.

Woody: Hahahahahaha.

Woody: Seriously.

Shivanath: I’m hiding in Iceland and possibly considering how to protect the poor from it crashing.

Shivanath: let’s start with the basics: it’s all built on fractional reserve banking and that might not actually

be stable

Woody: That have anything to do with last year’s work?

Shivanath: it might, in fact, build an entire economy on a “belief bubble” that there will be money there

when you need it

Shivanath: that the gamble will continue to pay off

Shivanath: fractional reserve might just be a ponzi scheme

12:35 AM

Shivanath: so, why Iceland: answer – I’m not ready for India.

Shivanath: Now, the last year’s work… here’s the key question: who is sustainable?

Woody: the Sami?

Shivanath: The global poor, who are professional organic farmers largely living on their own ancestral

lands, farmed the same way as their forefathers ninety generations ago, free of all pesticides and fertilizers

because they cannot afford them?

Shivanath: Or us westerners?

Shivanath: Precisely: it’s the old cultures who are sustainable, and the new cultures that are at risk.

Woody: But how can you feed 6 billion (or 8 billion) with agricultural techniques requiring huge amounts of

arable land per capita?

Shivanath: You can’t.

Shivanath: But these techniques work, even to this day

Woody: No more herds for the Laplanders…

Shivanath: How much would the population drop in nations like China if they went back to their

agricultural practices of old? I’m guessing not that much: a factor of two or three perhaps.

Shivanath: And possibly not at all because, actually, you can do *incredible* things with techniques like

biodynamic farming: still organic, but high tech organic.

Shivanath: Double dug raised beds, for example, have yields high enough to talk about feeling a family

from a sixth of an acre. Think about that.

Woody: So it’s sustainable ribofunk.

12:40 AM

Shivanath: Bingo.

Woody: Question 3.

Shivanath: Ribofunk was one of the greatest science fiction movements that never quite happened, and

we should have a lot more of it. We need biological futures written for us.

Shivanath: yes. Q3?

Woody: What’s working behind the scenes of the big Anglophone political happenings over the next two

years? Which archons are pulling which strings in 08, for instance?

Shivanath: ooh

Shivanath: Gods.

Shivanath: OK, here’s how I see it. The *only question* that matters in 08 is “is it a fair election, or is it

decided by fraud again?”

Woody: Yeah.

Shivanath: Now this could go either way. Gore in 00 asked for a recount only in districts where they

thought they could gain votes which was completely dishonest and undemocratic and he deserved to lose for

that, even if it was the wrong thing for the country (which it was) and even if the other side cheated more (which

they did. Investigate the 100,000 people taken off the voters roles by falsely declaring them felons.)

Shivanath: The 06 elections appear, by and large, to have been fair

12:45 AM

Shivanath: possibly because it isn’t that important

Shivanath: (i.e. it wasn’t for the presidency)

Woody: Interesting points.

Woody: Okay. That’s my 3 questions. Unless you’ve got something else you want to add.

Shivanath: but also possibly because somebody back in there waved the big stick at both sides and said

“knock off the electoral fraud or we’ll publish what we know” or some equally effective threat.

Woody: Hahaha.

Woody: Now who’s holding that stick??

Shivanath: The other thing is that the Libertarians are massively on the march and I think we’re going to

see an incredibly reformed, lean and dangerous Libertarian presence in 08. My guess is that it’ll be inside of

the Republican party – a “get back to our real values” movement – rather than coming from the

Libertarians, and that this will constitute the first really new American political movement since the 1960s.

Shivanath: And we are ripe for it: their issues are now all of our issues, because we’ve all been stripped of

our constitutional rights to such a huge extent.

Shivanath: As for who’s holding the stick? Who killed Kennedy? Who protects the Federal Reserve.

Shivanath: THEY DO!!!

Shivanath: <laughs>

Shivanath: My guess is that deep inside of what we think of as The System there are about half a dozen

bright guys who know where the bodies are buried and take responsibility for keeping the show on the rails,

and that through an invisible power network – not yer Illuminati shit, or anything quasi-Masonic like Skull and

Bones (you know both Bush and Kerry were members, so Skull and Bones effectively captured the 04 election

before it was held.)

12:50 AM

Shivanath: No, I think those men (and they certainly are) hold power by consistently being right.

Woody: Yeah, but who do they party with?

Woody: What’s their favorite drink?

Woody: And how do they keep passing the baton, decade after decade?

Shivanath: What I learned from my adventures in government is that being trusted in power is an

incredibly powerful edge: a lot of the senior people I dealt with were incredibly nice and it made me realize that

there’s a powerful selective pressure among competitors in the Government arena to push the most honest

people to the front of the line.

Shivanath: If you’re a total bastard, and another total bastard you’ve tooled over time and time again in

your fights gets the Big Prize, he’s going to rip you to pieces.

Shivanath: So the Nice Guys find that the total bastards push them up to leadership roles because that

effectively protects the total bastards from each other.

Shivanath: And I’ve seen this: the more senior the people, the nicer they got.

Shivanath: How this jives with Cheney etc. is simple: these people were elected, and that’s a whole

different set of selective pressures than those of the evolutionary forces inside of the beaurocracy.

Shivanath: (and you’re going to have to spell check this, mate, I can’t spell that damn word.)

Shivanath: So, who these men are.

Shivanath: George Kennan was one, certainly.

Shivanath: Architected the Policy of Containment via, among other documents, the famous Long Telegram


Shivanath: Now, this thing right here? This is the closest you’re going to get to a political Mount Sinai


Shivanath: Kennan simply figures out what the US does about the Soviet Union

Shivanath: and then we do it

Shivanath: and it works.

Woody: That’s a sure nuff Working.

12:55 AM

Woody: But you’ve got your un-intended consequences, too…

Shivanath: That moment of genius, of insight likely saved the world in much the same way that the Bomb

Team put a stop to the Third World War by instituting the Cold Peace.

Shivanath: Yes.

Shivanath: Each generation of these, er, “Wizards” leaves loose ends

Shivanath: it’s like doing long division by hand, if you ever did that

Shivanath: on each line you get one more digit of the answer, and a new remainder to divide by the next

number in line

Shivanath: and, well, wanna bet that Reality is Irrational so the sums go on forever?

Shivanath: The great question is “can you get an exact answer?” and the reply to that is usually “when

Meshiach comes.”

Shivanath: (Yiddish for The Messiah)

Woody: Thanks for the chat, Shivanath.

Woody: —-

Shivanath: (wait, not quite done!)

Shivanath: just thinking

Woody: no prob!


Woody: [brb]

keep going!

Shivanath: ok

Shivanath: well, here’s the final paragraph

Woody: (omfg — that Kennan document…)

1:00 AM

Shivanath: The answer is that it depends on the nature of time. If the Christian model of linear time towards

the End Of History is correct, then, yes, sure you can get a final answer.

Shivanath: But as the Greeks discovered, the simplest triangle: one by one right angle, has an irrational


Shivanath: Root too.

Shivanath: Root Two, rather.

Shivanath: Now, consider the great mathematical unification: e to the power of -i * pi equals 1

Shivanath: People look at that and say “my god, it might make sense in the end.”

Shivanath: But I think that Chaitin’s Omega Numbers are pretty clear evidence that these pheonmena,

these momentary lapses in the irrational and irreducable comlexity of the universe, are ripples, lines in the

noise of the fractalish underpinnings of life.

Shivanath: In short: we’re going to continue to need benign geniuses to help respond to *change*

because change is life, and I don’t expect there to be a messiah who’s going to come and stop all change and

tehreby solve all problems.

Shivanath: Life will continue, with all it’s cmoplexities, even if a messiah does come and lift us all to some

higher level.

Woody: allright, […]… Are you saying we ought to have Faith?

Shivanath: FINIS

Shivanath: nope: I’m saying that faith is irrelevant.

Shivanath: Change continues, the universe is a complicated place, and we’re blessed with great thinkers

who help us get through it. Smart nations give these people effectiveness by giving them access to the decision

making apparatus. Hopefully America will continue to get that right.

Shivanath: A lot of people thought that the Buddha was going to be the end of history. Nope.

Shivanath: Nor Rama.

Shivanath: The game continues for as long as the Universe wants to play and there is no boredom in the

mind of god that I can distinguish!

1:05 AM

Shivanath: (I will also have to go within five minutes, they are closing this bar, but you’ve got time for one

more round.)

Shivanath: So, yes, I think we need our navigators more than ever, and perhaps a certain amount of faith

is required to assume that these beings get access to the reins: but species karma is very strong, the love of the

human condition directly results in a “magical” collective will to continue The Good Life on this planet.

Shivanath: I think we’ll fix Africa within a generation through intelligent trade, development and enterprise,

for instance, and I hope to personally be on the front line of that process.


April 25, 2007 - Posted by | occult

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