note: this was briefly at my old blog. here it rightly resurfaces from March 6th or so.
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Shivanath: hahahahahah
Woody: back again
Woody: haha!
Woody: crazy drunk magician. Working from the top of the world.
Woody: can’t you get a tickeet for that?
Shivanath: oh god
Shivanath: I’ve been drunk for three days
Shivanath: well, started saturday
Shivanath: and sunday
Shivanath: and monday
Woody: i’ve bottled a new batch of homebrew beer this week
Woody: i’ll raise one to you
Shivanath: awright
Woody: maybe we aim for a few days from now for the intrveiw..
Shivanath: well, you could do that
Shivanath: or we could try and bang out a three question micro interview while I’m running this hot
Woody: sounds good too
Woody: okya
Woody: here we go.
Shivanath: (reality is bending *hard* - talked to an Icelanding MP tonight and also a developer of Eve
Online)
Woody: Question 1
12:25 AM
Shivanath: aye
Woody: How’s your magickal practice changed since our last interview?
Shivanath: that’s almost a year ago
Shivanath: it’s been an insane year
Shivanath: the key is really that I got involved in a tantric relationship with somebody I personally identify
as an old tibetan lama-type being and the resulting energy generated really pushed out an enormous amount
of my potential into the world
Shivanath: and, hopefully, one day, hers
Shivanath: so that manifestation through relationship this time propelled me into an intimate relationship
with the deepest power structures in the United States
Shivanath: I did a round of work for the military, the red cross, and hopefully one for the marines, all
centered on humanitarian relief and disaster response
12:30 AM
Shivanath: this is really key: inside of the US Govt. and particularly the US military there are a lot of nice
people trying to do the right thing
Shivanath: I took this wad of compassionate energy and handed it to them and they’ve made very good
use of it so far, and that has surprised and delighted me.
Shivanath: One side effect has been that I haven’t had much time for my regular practices of old: it’s all
been Karma Yoga this year.
Shivanath: How’s that for an answr?
Woody: I think that fairly answers Question 1.
Woody: Question 2.
Woody: What the hell are you planning to do about the global economy? Hahahaha.
Woody: Hahahahahaha.
Woody: Seriously.
Shivanath: I’m hiding in Iceland and possibly considering how to protect the poor from it crashing.
Shivanath: let’s start with the basics: it’s all built on fractional reserve banking and that might not actually
be stable
Woody: That have anything to do with last year’s work?
Shivanath: it might, in fact, build an entire economy on a “belief bubble” that there will be money there
when you need it
Shivanath: that the gamble will continue to pay off
Shivanath: fractional reserve might just be a ponzi scheme
12:35 AM
Shivanath: so, why Iceland: answer - I’m not ready for India.
Shivanath: Now, the last year’s work… here’s the key question: who is sustainable?
Woody: the Sami?
Shivanath: The global poor, who are professional organic farmers largely living on their own ancestral
lands, farmed the same way as their forefathers ninety generations ago, free of all pesticides and fertilizers
because they cannot afford them?
Shivanath: Or us westerners?
Shivanath: Precisely: it’s the old cultures who are sustainable, and the new cultures that are at risk.
Woody: But how can you feed 6 billion (or 8 billion) with agricultural techniques requiring huge amounts of
arable land per capita?
Shivanath: You can’t.
Shivanath: But these techniques work, even to this day
Woody: No more herds for the Laplanders…
Shivanath: How much would the population drop in nations like China if they went back to their
agricultural practices of old? I’m guessing not that much: a factor of two or three perhaps.
Shivanath: And possibly not at all because, actually, you can do *incredible* things with techniques like
biodynamic farming: still organic, but high tech organic.
Shivanath: Double dug raised beds, for example, have yields high enough to talk about feeling a family
from a sixth of an acre. Think about that.
Woody: So it’s sustainable ribofunk.
12:40 AM
Shivanath: Bingo.
Woody: Question 3.
Shivanath: Ribofunk was one of the greatest science fiction movements that never quite happened, and
we should have a lot more of it. We need biological futures written for us.
Shivanath: yes. Q3?
Woody: What’s working behind the scenes of the big Anglophone political happenings over the next two
years? Which archons are pulling which strings in 08, for instance?
Shivanath: ooh
Shivanath: Gods.
Shivanath: OK, here’s how I see it. The *only question* that matters in 08 is “is it a fair election, or is it
decided by fraud again?”
Woody: Yeah.
Shivanath: Now this could go either way. Gore in 00 asked for a recount only in districts where they
thought they could gain votes which was completely dishonest and undemocratic and he deserved to lose for
that, even if it was the wrong thing for the country (which it was) and even if the other side cheated more (which
they did. Investigate the 100,000 people taken off the voters roles by falsely declaring them felons.)
Shivanath: The 06 elections appear, by and large, to have been fair
12:45 AM
Shivanath: possibly because it isn’t that important
Shivanath: (i.e. it wasn’t for the presidency)
Woody: Interesting points.
Woody: Okay. That’s my 3 questions. Unless you’ve got something else you want to add.
Shivanath: but also possibly because somebody back in there waved the big stick at both sides and said
“knock off the electoral fraud or we’ll publish what we know” or some equally effective threat.
Woody: Hahaha.
Woody: Now who’s holding that stick??
Shivanath: The other thing is that the Libertarians are massively on the march and I think we’re going to
see an incredibly reformed, lean and dangerous Libertarian presence in 08. My guess is that it’ll be inside of
the Republican party - a “get back to our real values” movement - rather than coming from the LP.org
Libertarians, and that this will constitute the first really new American political movement since the 1960s.
Shivanath: And we are ripe for it: their issues are now all of our issues, because we’ve all been stripped of
our constitutional rights to such a huge extent.
Shivanath: As for who’s holding the stick? Who killed Kennedy? Who protects the Federal Reserve.
Shivanath: THEY DO!!!
Shivanath: <laughs>
Shivanath: My guess is that deep inside of what we think of as The System there are about half a dozen
bright guys who know where the bodies are buried and take responsibility for keeping the show on the rails,
and that through an invisible power network - not yer Illuminati shit, or anything quasi-Masonic like Skull and
Bones (you know both Bush and Kerry were members, so Skull and Bones effectively captured the 04 election
before it was held.)
12:50 AM
Shivanath: No, I think those men (and they certainly are) hold power by consistently being right.
Woody: Yeah, but who do they party with?
Woody: What’s their favorite drink?
Woody: And how do they keep passing the baton, decade after decade?
Shivanath: What I learned from my adventures in government is that being trusted in power is an
incredibly powerful edge: a lot of the senior people I dealt with were incredibly nice and it made me realize that
there’s a powerful selective pressure among competitors in the Government arena to push the most honest
people to the front of the line.
Shivanath: If you’re a total bastard, and another total bastard you’ve tooled over time and time again in
your fights gets the Big Prize, he’s going to rip you to pieces.
Shivanath: So the Nice Guys find that the total bastards push them up to leadership roles because that
effectively protects the total bastards from each other.
Shivanath: And I’ve seen this: the more senior the people, the nicer they got.
Shivanath: How this jives with Cheney etc. is simple: these people were elected, and that’s a whole
different set of selective pressures than those of the evolutionary forces inside of the beaurocracy.
Shivanath: (and you’re going to have to spell check this, mate, I can’t spell that damn word.)
Shivanath: So, who these men are.
Shivanath: George Kennan was one, certainly.
Shivanath: Architected the Policy of Containment via, among other documents, the famous Long Telegram
Shivanath: http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/coldwar/documents/episode-1/kennan.htm
Shivanath: Now, this thing right here? This is the closest you’re going to get to a political Mount Sinai
experience.
Shivanath: Kennan simply figures out what the US does about the Soviet Union
Shivanath: and then we do it
Shivanath: and it works.
Woody: That’s a sure nuff Working.
12:55 AM
Woody: But you’ve got your un-intended consequences, too…
Shivanath: That moment of genius, of insight likely saved the world in much the same way that the Bomb
Team put a stop to the Third World War by instituting the Cold Peace.
Shivanath: Yes.
Shivanath: Each generation of these, er, “Wizards” leaves loose ends
Shivanath: it’s like doing long division by hand, if you ever did that
Shivanath: on each line you get one more digit of the answer, and a new remainder to divide by the next
number in line
Shivanath: and, well, wanna bet that Reality is Irrational so the sums go on forever?
Shivanath: The great question is “can you get an exact answer?” and the reply to that is usually “when
Meshiach comes.”
Shivanath: (Yiddish for The Messiah)
Woody: Thanks for the chat, Shivanath.
Woody: —-
Shivanath: (wait, not quite done!)
Shivanath: just thinking
Woody: no prob!
Shivanath:
Woody: [brb]
keep going!
Shivanath: ok
Shivanath: well, here’s the final paragraph
Woody: (omfg — that Kennan document…)
1:00 AM
Shivanath: The answer is that it depends on the nature of time. If the Christian model of linear time towards
the End Of History is correct, then, yes, sure you can get a final answer.
Shivanath: But as the Greeks discovered, the simplest triangle: one by one right angle, has an irrational
side.
Shivanath: Root too.
Shivanath: Root Two, rather.
Shivanath: Now, consider the great mathematical unification: e to the power of -i * pi equals 1
Shivanath: People look at that and say “my god, it might make sense in the end.”
Shivanath: But I think that Chaitin’s Omega Numbers are pretty clear evidence that these pheonmena,
these momentary lapses in the irrational and irreducable comlexity of the universe, are ripples, lines in the
noise of the fractalish underpinnings of life.
Shivanath: In short: we’re going to continue to need benign geniuses to help respond to *change*
because change is life, and I don’t expect there to be a messiah who’s going to come and stop all change and
tehreby solve all problems.
Shivanath: Life will continue, with all it’s cmoplexities, even if a messiah does come and lift us all to some
higher level.
Woody: allright, [...]… Are you saying we ought to have Faith?
Shivanath: FINIS
Shivanath: nope: I’m saying that faith is irrelevant.
Shivanath: Change continues, the universe is a complicated place, and we’re blessed with great thinkers
who help us get through it. Smart nations give these people effectiveness by giving them access to the decision
making apparatus. Hopefully America will continue to get that right.
Shivanath: A lot of people thought that the Buddha was going to be the end of history. Nope.
Shivanath: Nor Rama.
Shivanath: The game continues for as long as the Universe wants to play and there is no boredom in the
mind of god that I can distinguish!
1:05 AM
Shivanath: (I will also have to go within five minutes, they are closing this bar, but you’ve got time for one
more round.)
Shivanath: So, yes, I think we need our navigators more than ever, and perhaps a certain amount of faith
is required to assume that these beings get access to the reins: but species karma is very strong, the love of the
human condition directly results in a “magical” collective will to continue The Good Life on this planet.
Shivanath: I think we’ll fix Africa within a generation through intelligent trade, development and enterprise,
for instance, and I hope to personally be on the front line of that process.